Dermatologist Reveals Skincare Myths & Must-Knows

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Is this normal doc a podcast sponsored by Tanner Clinic disclaimer the information shared
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in this podcast is for General informational purposes only and should not be considered medical advice while
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our podcast will provide helpful suggestions and insights every individual's Health situation is unique
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for specific medical advice diagnosis or treatment please contact your personal healthcare
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provider welcome to this normal doc the podcast where we talk about what's
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normal and what's not with help from our Tanner Clinic providers my name is Hope
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and I am your host I am part of the marketing team we have Tara joining me
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today she is the co-host um Tara who are you I'm the marketing manager here at
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Tanner Clinic yeah she's my boss so we have to be on our best
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behavior so in this episode we are going to be diving into all things Dermatology we have Dr Matt inis here with us today
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if you would like to submit a question for any of our future episodes just make sure that you're following us on our
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social medias and we can get your questions from there I just want to
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thank you for coming yeah and being here and taking time out of your day to come and talk with us and help
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educate us on things that may be normal or not before we get into the questions
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I wanted to give you the opportunity to kind of introduce yourself um your work
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here at Tanner Clinic what you do and how you got here what kind of got you into Dermatology thanks so I'm Dr inis
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uh I've been here for 5 years doing Dermatology and I started out thinking I was going to do a lot of Cosmetics actually and and I've since totally gone
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away from Cosmetics I'm just doing medical Dermatology and surgical Dermatology so anything skin related I
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mean General Dermatology I do everything skin related so any skin condition I'm happy to see and then we do a lot of uh
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surgical procedures too so skin cancer removal first of all lipomas Cy um I'm
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doing a split earlobe today doing a surgery for something called hydradenitis today which is like a like
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an inflammatory acne in the body fold so we do a pretty good variety but yeah anything skin related I'm your guy we
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have some questions that were either submitted by patients or honestly we have questions you know the nice thing
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about doing our job and being in a medical uh facility being marketing is
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that we get access to free healthcare information so we definitely use that to
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our advantage at times so I have a family member that's maybe not so smart when it comes
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to like sun protection um and every once in a while
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they'll come to me and they'll be like does this look weird to you and I'm like yeah you should definitely go get that scene that's happened multiple times and
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they have gone in um and each time it's been fine but my question is what types
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of things should people be looking for as far as like a mole or like a skin change what type of uh warning signs
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should we be looking at on our skin to be like oh I should probably go in and
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have that checked out that's a good question it's probably the most applicable question to the general
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public so good one to start with um every I mean I do skin checks all day long and so my patients are asking me
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that question all day every day yeah uh first of all let me start with a couple of things that are normal cherry angomas
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and sebra keratoses are something that uh pretty much everyone has so Cherry
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angomas are the little red spots that um I mean I'm I don't know if you have any but pretty much everyone does so these
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tiny little yeah say I do these tiny little red spots they can be flat they can be raised yeah these are totally
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normal and usually you have several of them um we don't have a great answer for
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what causes them people ask me why do I get these I just say part of Being Human so that one's normal um seate keratosis
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these are also really common you get more as you age these tend to be kind of tan they can be skin colored tan or
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brown they they can have a variety of appearances but they tend to be tan and
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you can get them on your face on your scalp people get a lot on their back people get them around their neck here's
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the main thing though that I tell people on what you're looking for okay if it's
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if you have several growths that look similar that's reassuring you're not going to get 20
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skin cancers at once so if you've got a bunch of spots that look the same like the freckles you it's a freckle guys
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then that's then that's reassuring right so tell people look for something that
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makes you suspicious because it's acting funny if you've got a bunch of moles but one day you look and you see a mole and
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you're like that one did not Ed to be that color or size or shape then come in and get it checked
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out okay it's pretty common for someone to come in for a spot that looks suspicious to them and I tell them it's
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fine and they're they're like sorry to waste your time I mean I get it and it
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might feel like a waste of time but I'll tell you about one patient I had a few months ago who had what we call an a
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melanotic melanoma that was a melanoma that did not look like a melanoma it was it
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looked like a patch of eczema to be honest I biopsied because he said it was acting different than his other spots
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and I'm glad I did because it ended up being a melanoma yeah but they don't have to be brown they don't have to
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follow the traditional you may have heard of the ABCDE of melanoma I don't think that's practical
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for the average person you know so asymmetry border
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color diameter Evolution you know are you going to remember the specific criteria for those and say well I'm glad
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you said that cuz I had no idea what the ABCDE was so thank you now you know and now you can forget it because I don't
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think it's important for my patients okay I think what you're looking for is the last one e is evolution mhm changing
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that skin cancer is going to change so I sometimes have a patient who comes in and they're like well I had this spot and yesterday I scratched it off I the
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other couple days I had a lady who brought do that I had a patient who brought her seate keratosis in a
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sandwich bag delicious oh that's fun so for example she's like I I this one peeled
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off I mean if it peels off it's not a skin cancer oh and so if you've got if
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you've got a spot that's kind of coming and going that's reassuring anyway to boil it down you're looking for a spot
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that you notice is different than the others or different than it used to be and I think that makes it simple for the
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average person you don't need to remember specific criteria if you've got a spot that makes you suspicious you
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don't want to be the person who reassures yourself for 3 years and then comes in because it's really weird
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looking and it's that melanoma yeah yeah and they should be coming every year at
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what age do you think to come and get those yeah there's no hard and fast rule if you got a family history of skin
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cancer if you've had a lot of bad sunburns I suppose I suppose those are some risk factors that would make you
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want to come in for at least a Baseline and then I can tell you if you grew up in the 90s and went tanning because that
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was a thing we did that's right or even older than that and baby oil baby oil I yeah tin foil I've been told I am fine
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because I'm not of that generation and I also don't go outside so I think I'm okay I haven't noticed any weird changes
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in my skin but this skin chick right here looks great yeah I try
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yeah okay so I'm of a certain age where you know your hair starts thinning
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it could be maybe genetics it could be stress nutrition right so is it just my
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age that I need to worry about my hair thinning is it my genetics or is there something I can actually do to help my
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hair from thinning like it was also maybe 2020 covid things like that maybe
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caused your hair to thin help us out with that yeah yeah I mean hair loss is like a universal worry
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especially for women yeah and a lot of us men so it's a good question um I do think there are some families that have
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a genetic predisposition to just get thin yes and I'm there you might even
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call that like a normal variant and unfortunate normal variant that kind of runs in the family and there's only so
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much you can do about that so I think some people just get thin over time um minoxidil Rogan is a medication that
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you've probably heard of and that just helps the hair to grow it helps the hair hairs to be in the growth phase it helps
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to thicken them up so that's something that can be used for anyone whose hair is more thin than they want it to be but
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I do think that there's this kind of genetic hair loss yeah that's not really pathologic so to speak and that one kind
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of is what it is but as for a couple other things that would be worth knowing knowing if it's normal or not teen aium
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is a type of hair loss it's a weird name because it's totally made up term um teen aium teen refers to okay so this
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condition is where you suddenly lose your hair okay this is a condition
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that's easy to diagnose if my patient is able to tell me this is when I started shedding if they are able to pinpoint
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like middle of September I started shedding it's taen andium and you notice
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typically you're in the shower and you're like whoa that is a lot more hair in my finger than I'm used to or in
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refresh um T Legend fium is kind of an interesting one it's triggered by something and a lot of the time we're
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able to pinpoint the trigger so it happens one to four months after the trigger I saw this all the time during
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covid about a month after covid and it was usually like the type of Co that got
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you sick and made you feverish a month later these people
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would just start shedding like crazy hogen fluvium while it is really stressful to have because you think
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you're going to go bald you're not not all of your hair goes into this teen which is the shedding phase of the hair
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that's good we want the hair to be in the growth phase most of the hair is in the growth phase but in teen fluvium a
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lot more hairs than normal go into the resting shedding phase um but it is
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self-limited and so you go through this you know six to eight month course of shedding shedding shedding it Peaks
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shedding goes back to normal and then the hair regrows so that's a type that
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if you suddenly notice shedding come in and we'll see if we can find the trigger
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yeah if we can't pinpoint an obvious trigger like you know postpartum covid a
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major illness or a major stress or things like that then sometimes we go there's some Labs that we check to see
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if iron's low thyroid things like that that would be triggering kind of an ongoing shedding um and then male and
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female pattern hair loss would be the most common that's obviously what I have but females can get it too and so if if
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there's accentuation up here for both males and females it's that you get thinner up here than around here um that
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also has some kind of genetic underpinnings but it's more of a hormonal thing in that and we've got
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pretty good treatments for that so uh dermatologist hope is what you're saying
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hope yeah cuz my part is getting a little bit wider up there so there is hope and I think a lot of people don't
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realize that dermatologists are hair Specialists as well and by the way nail
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Specialists I think people don't know that there are nail Specialists but there you go hair ands we do it that is
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really good to know yeah I remember growing up and seeing like all the beauty influencers always do like DIY
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skin care and they be like make your own face mask or like remember when coconut oil was like a big thing everyone was
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like coconut oil for everything in your hair on your skin whatever um I just
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wanted to know your thoughts on if you think that natural and DIY like skin
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care is as effective or can be as effective as doorbot or you know
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manufactured skincare just because I think a lot of people probably still lean towards that cuz there is like a
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push in natural yeah natural skin natural eating things like that people
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are really into that or just budgetary reasons cuz some skincare is really expensive I think so what are your
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thoughts on that um well I'll I'll break my answer into two sections so DIY
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versus natural are kind of two different topics to me yeah um DIY absolutely keep doing it because I love hearing these
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stupid Trends it's awesome Like Potatoes on your face is definitely going to work I love the Tik Tok Trends um no I
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mean di DIY stuff probably isn't going to be very perfected but also
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prob but I do like hearing the trends so um I mean DIY gets a little more risky
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although it's still probably not all that harmful to try but if you're mixing stuff together that can be irritating
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gets me a little worried yeah but in general en go ahead and try them I feel like there's like a sugar scrub one where it was like a lemon and you put
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sugar on it that makes me want to cry so I have such sens to the skin I was like not
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going to be trying that one um you're going to talk about my website in a minute and I'm and I I'm The Frugal Derm
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but I haven't posted for a couple years I'll get back to it when my twins get a little less crazy you just had twins everyone congratulations but yes congr
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you go that's why I'm not posting you get a pass Okay so the whole concept I
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created that social media presence for was I think that there is a huge need
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and a huge want for people to know is the expensive stuff worth it yeah yes
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and I am a product minimalist I think that in general the answer is no I mean
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I would never buy a skincare product for over $100 because I mean the the stuff
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you find at the store cave Cetaphil Neutrogena
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Olay I really like L Ro p i mean these companies have tons of
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money too I mean these are like these companies are worth a lot of
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money and they have a lot of money to spend on research and development right and these products are awesome so I I
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mean I'm not calling people who buy expensive products um glal but it's not
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worth it for me I think the marginal difference between a a a grocery store
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product and the expensive products you're going to get is just the marginal benefit is not worth the price T like
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how much more can you get for $50 more dollars you know like what is worth $50
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more dollars to put I there are a small handful of products like skin cutical
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makes this $50 C fuic MH vitamin C is a
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finicky molecule that needs to be stabilized by Fric acid You could argue
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that that's one that you're going to get a lot more benefit out of that than the drug store brand but I think those
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examples are few and far between yeah so um anyway retinol products I know that
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that's they're get a little pricey but do you recommend that yeah so I think worth it um I think when it comes to
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retinols you're you're basically deciding whether you want to do an over-the-counter strength or a prescription strength okay and so to me
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I think plenty of Brands make a really good like adapalene gel which was
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prescription only until a years ago and then different is the brand that came out with the first over the counter now
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there's like I think five or six maybe more brands that make a daping gel I
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really like L Ro POS as a brand but I mean Neutrogena makes it now and I would
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argue that uh I tell my patients I'm fine with any of the brands so I don't have a strong preference adapalene if
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you wanted to get a prescription strength but overthe counter retinol adap is a great one to go with I don't
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have a great a strong preference on brand my patients ask me like am I okay
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to keep using this I'm I usually say I'm fine with it because my only concern is is it something that's really irritating
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and S for example if I'm treating acne and I'm prescribing something that I'm
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obviously prescribing the active ingredients that I think the patient needs yeah so if you want to keep using
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your own products because you really want to use something that's organic and natural um in general I'm fine with it
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but my are going to be a little bit irritating and if you're also using products that are a little bit irritating I don't want you to get too
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irritated and not be able to tolerate my products because I'm prescribing what I think you need but for the average
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person who just is a little leery of um traditional medicine chemicals wants to
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go organic and more natural products I think it's totally fine I think it's
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totally fine but let me give you an example yeah pumpkin seed oil has
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anti-androgenic properties and can be used to treat uh androgenetic alopecia
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male and female pattern hair loss the only time I would recommend it is uh someone who wants to be organic
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and doesn't want to take a medicine because finasteride is a medicine I take
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for male pattern hair loss and it does the exact same thing same mechanism but a lot better and we know more about it
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and we've studied it more MH so there are some people who just want to use some something organic and sure
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use pumpkin seed o that's totally fine if you want something that we know more about and have studied dosage and does
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the same thing but is better and then I'll give you the medicine version yeah uh for topicals like a lot of people
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love their essential oils my only problem is that all the evidence behind it is
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anecdotal I mean obviously Eastern medicine has used these ingredients for a lot of years for a lot of different
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things and I'm not saying there's no evidence behind it these essential oil ingredients have
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certainly have medicinal properties but these days it's mostly just marketed by
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the companies that produce it and they say it does this that and that and that and everything and that's when I get a
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little skeptical because there's no way that like it's too good to be true at this point there's no way that lavender oil there's no way lavender oil does all
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14 things that they claim it does mostly gives me a headache I love lavender oil
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so yeah it's more expensive and less accessible to come see a dermatologist so I I really the skin is
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durable you can you can try most things with with little repercussion but I
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think our personalized recommendations are obviously going to be a little more strong and effective than the average
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counter stuff yeah yeah so what you're saying is if you have questions make an appointment then you can find out what's
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specifically good for you right all right so before we finish I kind of
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want to know do you have a story of maybe a patient that came in and kind of had maybe a not so normal diagnosis that
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you want to share with us I'm I'm gonna quickly go through just a couple okay um okay so I had a teenage boy who had
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recently gone on a senior trip to uh I think it was Costa Rica and he he had what looked like an abscess like a a
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raised kind of boil on his leg ouch but it wasn't red or inflam
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I can feel what it is so it wasn't behaving like an abscess
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and so I'm like well let's numb it up and let's see what we're dealing with here and as I start numbing I see something move I was waiting for it like
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it's going to start moving it's see something move and what's funny is this was a teenage boy and I'm like I think
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there's something living in there and he's like let's go he was so excited a teenage girl would have been screening
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or a grown or me so it was a botfly
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and these can get you know when you're in in Central South America and it gets they lay their eggs on your clothes and
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then they Burrow under your skin and so delicious so anyway I I think this is on
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my Instagram on The Frugal DM I think it's one of my early videos where you can see me just pull this Botfly larvae
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out that was a fun one we're going to go check that out right after yeah and I didn't need to send it in for pathology
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and he's like can I keep this and show my friends so we put it in a formal cup and there you go I love it um couple
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other interesting cases we had a lady a few months ago who had what we call flatulate dermatitis and so it looks
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like like a bunch of streaks on her back okay
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and I just remembered from a textbook that you can get it from shitake
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mushrooms and I was like this is a long shot weird question but did you by chance eat any shitake muffin and she's
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she like well my mushrooms were about to expire so I just cooked them all up last
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night and ate them so you get this weird like uh this very distinctive pattern
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where it's just like a bunch of streaks on your back and okay I remembered that I read in a textbook one time yeah
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exactly I thought it was a long I love when you just pull this random thing out of like like she's like why would you be
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asking me about shitake mushrooms but you're like the real life like a genius it's awesome I never would have ever
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guessed that mushrooms could do that they do a lot of um there's this interesting rash called
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phytophotodermatitis okay phyto is plant photo is Sun dermatitis is rash and so
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it's often from uh it's often from limes but what happens is when the um there's
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I think it's like fumin is the chemical that's photosensitive so when it's exposed to sun and it changes the
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composition and it makes it more irritating and so the weird thing is you get these weird patterns of rash like we
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went to nexo with some friends a few years ago and she had fingerprints on her arm and then I I often see it like
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like drip marks you can see like this weird pattern rash and you can see like linear streaks from the drip marks it's
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another one I love because it makes me look so smart cuz I'm like I'm like did you by chance go to a beach and did you
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by chance eat any limes there and this kid's like I love limes and I had a whole bag there so what you're saying is
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in the summer when you're going to Fizz and getting those limes just don't go outside with yeah
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exactly the last one I wanted to mention was a guy who had what we call allergic contact dermatitis allergic
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eczema um TMI you get this in the around the
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rectum okay so when you get itchy around the rectum I always ask the question do
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you drink a lot of soda I kind of ask about foods that contain a certain chemical this guy came familiar Terra
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this guy she did that she had to do a flyer
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on that oh one of our doctors yes I was like what are you talking about I'm
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going to tell your ghost she telling all my it's not a personal thing it was just for I did a flyer on I'm to say it wrong
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purus anus I think yeah pus anus P thank you yes say it we're just marketing
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literally we're marketing got s it but yes I made a brochure for that one day it was a great day so yes parius anai
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thank what this guy was presenting with and he's like Doc I think I'm allergic to Sugar cuz every time I drink Mountain
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do Cod red and eat Arby sauce no actually no I mixed that story
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up I mixed that story up because he came in saying I'm allergic to Sugar I feel like when I eat sugary things this gets
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worse I patch tested him and he was allergic to Balsam of Peru which is this
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fragranced flavored molecule that's in uh dark colas especially Dr Pepper in
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tomato sauces and it's in some citrusy things and some spices and so once we did the patch testing we were able to
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narrow it down and we found out it was his Mountain du code red okay and the RV sauce and the RV sauce combined that's
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all get you and every time he eats those but I thought it was funny CU exactly those I thought it was funny
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cuz he thought he was allergic to sugar and we were we were able to figure out but I do that's a condition where um
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well you ingest food with that and that's where it comes out so that's where you get itchy but we found out it
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was his Arby sauce and his code red so there you go we know now the two combinations not to put together do not
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mix probably shouldn't mix for anyone you can probably get away with it some people but maybe just it's all right and
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if you do have an issue I get a brocher for it so yes can fix you I thought
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those were a couple of fun cases yeah I love that thank you for sharing those okay so clearly we've talked about
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my freckles so yes I have to used a lot of sunscreen and yes I GRE up in the '90s where I wasn't using sunscreen I
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was going to the tining bed so can you give us some recommendations on what SPF we need to be using you know if I work
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indoors all day do I need to have the SPF in my moisturizer tell us about our sunscreen uses that we should be doing
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today I'll give you my my concise bullet point recommendations okay more
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important than the number SPF you're using is the is how often you reapply and to be completely honest one
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of my patients come in and they're like I use sunscreen I still got sunburned my sunscreen didn't work I'm like
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BS I use like my my favorite sunscreen is this uh equate sport that I got at
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Walmart yeah cheapest stuff you can get because it comes in a huge bottle and it's got a pump top which just I've got
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six kids and so it's convenient yeah cheap it's a lot of lathering a lot of lathering I start with the palest ones
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first and um and so I use the cheap stuff I know it works I use it on myself I burn
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easily I know it works it's about how often you reapply okay I'm fair skinn and I burn really quickly and so I love
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boating when I'm out boating I'm my wife still makes fun of me um but I'm
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reapplying like every hour okay and I'm convinced that I could use like SPF 5
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and still not burn as long as you're reapplying more yeah is there a difference between the spray the lotion
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and then like you know the ones with zinc in it let's say you know where you end up being white like a ghost but is there there are differences okay but not
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not terribly important I would just say the most important things you need to know know are yes the higher the SPF the
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better that is important to say the higher the SPF the more protection you're getting but more important is
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just how often you reapply I use the sprays I use the lotions um I personally don't love the
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mineral sunscreens with titanium and zinc just because I'm already pale and they don't rub in well they do not and
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so there are a few that rub in much better but in general even the sheer
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stuff doesn't rub in awesome um technically there are some advantages to those especially if you do want to use
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fewer chemicals sure go with a mineral sunscreen that's great I was trying to save the turtles that is why I bought that one there was that whole thing was
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like if you use yes mineral sunscreen you're killing killing the turtle yeah
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um yeah the chemical sunscreen just rubs in in better um and then my last recommendations on sunscreen
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is use a facial moisturizer that contains SPF okay and I think most women
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use a moisturizer I think most men don't but they should probably start because here's the thing photo aging is
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such a real thing I don't know if you've seen that photo of this guy who was a trucker and the side of his face is
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exposed to the the um light through the through the window right over the years is like so
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many more wrinkles than the other side yeah so even if my patients aren't really thinking about skin cancer photo
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aging and wrinkles yeah should be enough to make you wear your sunscreen and if you're just relying on okay I got to
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remember to put on my sunscreen before I'm going to be out well there are plenty of times where you're out for a lot longer than you expect right and you
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get a lot of light I mean I am indoors all day but I
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still just I'm in a wear a moisturizer anyway I'm dry anyway might as well wear one that contains SPS just in case and
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that way my total hours of sun exposure I get over my lifetime is cut way down
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because I've just got SPF on my face without having to remember okay I got to put sunscreen on before I leave my the
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one I'm using now is a Neutrogena Hydro Boost with SPF um and it's a good one rubs in well
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I like the texture there are plenty of good uh moisturizers that contain SPF but you if you don't wear a moisturizer
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I think you should start because I think that's the easiest way to to prevent photoaging like number one I think it's
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a little bit silly that people get way down the rabbit hole with anti-aging stuff yeah when they're not really
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consistent about sunscreen because you're you're going to get a lot lot lot more bang for your buck wearing a
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moisturizer with SPF daily on your face than any combo of retinols and vitamin C
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and everything more sunscreen less Botox is what you're saying so it's going to even out if we have
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if we use more sunscreen now we don't have to pay for as much that's exactly right it's money saving I love it thank
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you so much we appreciate you coming on sharing your wonderful words of advice and your knowledge you're basically the
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house of Dermatology but if you once again want
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that he had years ago still relevant information right and the and the website The Frugal derm.com has uh Dr
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in's favorite recommendation product recommendations or something um and I've got broken down by category I
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was actually looking at this last night it's super helpful yeah so you know like acne or anti-aging I've kind of got I'm
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not even making any money on it no affiliate links yet open to it but if you can help me I'll make some
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this time like accepting new patients yes perfect yep so if you want to schedule an appointment with him you can
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